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Overheard, The First Time, Naming Conventions, and Dinner Decisions

04/06/09

Permalink 10:56:05 pm, by admin Email , 638 words   English (US)
Categories: ...and Takes On, Korea, Tae Kwon Do, Culture, Traditional, 사랑?, America, Vicarious Culture Shock, 결혼식

Overheard, The First Time, Naming Conventions, and Dinner Decisions

Overheard While Out for Lunch One Day

Man: You know, I wish I had been on a bad date, so I could know what it feels like for a girl to not like you.

Woman: Ung. [Eyes rolling]

The First Time

Before taekwondo tonight I did 500 turns of the jump rope. A fantastic warm up, I made it to 453 before tripping. Ahhh, so close. Then Kwanjangnim (New Master) made me run warm ups for the class. First time I've ever done that.

Naming Conventions

I called the dentist to see if I could get Good Man an appointment at the same time I have one on Wednesday. "First name... and same last name?"

One of my students asked me if she was going to have to call me by a new last name. "No, I'm keeping my own," I told her. I didn't tell her my first name with his last name makes a great stripper name.

In Korea it's not traditional for women to take her husband's last name. In fact, Good Man's not even sure it's possible. So when I asked Good Man if he wanted me to take his name, he looked at me like I was nuts. (Which is good, because I wasn't going to take his name in any case.)

A few weekends ago Good Man and I worked on ordering our Quaker-style wedding certificate. We were reading on the website that many couples will sign as a couple, so you should order enough lines for 75% of the guests.

Good Man was confused. "What does that mean? 'Sign as a couple?'"

I signed 'Mr. and Mrs. John Kim' on a piece of paper. (No Good Man's name is not John; no, his family name is not Kim.)

"Where's the woman's name?"

"She's here, in the Mrs. John."

Good Man stared at me for a moment. When he realized I wasn't kidding he yelled, "that's bull! That's so sexist—what about her name? Where is her name?" He then started muttering. "Stupid. Go to hell."

I said it could be "John and Jane Kim" and he still just stared at me.

More than half of our guest list is made up of couples, and I really don't want only sixteen signatures on this document. I said that we could just quietly spread the word to sign one-by-one. Good Man looked at me, "Yes! We don't allow any stupidity at our wedding!"

I couldn't stop laughing. I'd never expect Good Man to feel so passionate about names. Then again, in Korea if you share a name and house with a woman your age, she's your sister.

Dinner Decisions

Last weekend we went out for dinner with Mark and his Lover. Good Man looked at the menu. "There is too much to choose from in America," he said. He told me to start picking for him.

I laughed. "That's rather old-fashioned and backwards," I said to him. "A long time ago, the man would order for the lady. Sometimes he'd let her choose, and other times he'd just choose for her."

"Yeah, that's OK, you can just choose for me any time we go out. Menus are too big in America!"

"Menus were just as big in Korea," I argued, "Go to one of those orange places and they have walls of menus."

"But it's all the same—ramyeon, cheese ramyeon, curry ramyeon—here you have all those options in one menu option," he said, pointing to the "choose two sides from the list below to go with any meal above" section.

One thing that I heard foreigners complain about in Korea is that you can't special order foods. Like the cough syrup incident, I hadn't considered the flip side, feeling like there are too many options when you can special order.

7 comments

Comment from: Amyable [Visitor]
My uncle (who's a pilot for Korean Airlines so he travel internationally all the time) says that he was quite daunted by order food in America. When he finally figures out what he wants and order it, the waitress inevitably has several follow up questions that he didn't expect. Would you like a salad with that? What kind of dressing would you like? Coffee? Decaf? Milk, creme, sugar? On and on. He went through KFC drive through one time hoping to minimize this ordering process and he couldn't believe he was asked original or crispy (which he didn't understand at all).
04/07/09 @ 23:12
Comment from: admin [Member] Email
That's exactly what he means. All of those damn follow-up questions!

I have ended up ordering for Good Man before for several reasons. He doesn't get all of the options/follow-ups for one, especially if they're shorthanded—dressing? Soup or salad? He just looks at me. Also, if we end up getting a non-native speaker with a strong accent from a region he's not used to hearing, he struggles. Combine that with the general background noise in a restaurant? It's just easier for me to order for him.

And the drive through... Damn, *I* can barely understand people at the drive through, so I certainly don't expect him to understand right now. Heck, the non-native speakers at Wendy's screw up our order so often. And I KNOW I'm speaking clearly. Gar.
04/07/09 @ 23:26
Comment from: Katie [Visitor] · http://stagestitches.blogspot.com
Maybe I'm a traditionalist - I've really never seen the big deal in taking the husband's name. I mean, I understand the sentiment of keeping individuality, but I didn't get to pick my maiden name at all and I DO get to pick if I want to take his or not. That's really interesting about the cultural differences, though.

That said, I know a lot of women in my industry(ies) that keep their maiden names just because that's the name they've made their careers with. That would definitely be a consideration for me, too.
04/08/09 @ 02:13
Comment from: admin [Member] Email
The thing is, I don't like the whole history behind it--along with the father "giving" the daughter to the husband. Yet at the same time, I'll happily do the pyebaek, where I am bowing into Good Man's family and officially becoming part of his while apparently leaving mine behind. Women may keep their own names in Korea, but it can also be seen as another way of keeping her separate in her husband's family. "You may live with us [traditionally], but you're not one of us."

In any case, my last name gets mispronounced about as often as Good Man's does, but is a lot rarer. His name ranks in the most popular in the United States, but mine isn't even on the list! And there are 88,799 names on it! (Seen here: http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/dist.all.last) His name is 4 letters, mine is 5. I see no advantages to changing my name, other than the fun that would commence with people pronouncing a Korean last name and getting a white girl. And even that would wear thin, I suspect. Heck, if I decided to go back to teaching in Korea, having a Korean last name would hinder me, in fact.

I have only found one person with my first and last name on the internet--some skanky looking chick in Canada. She needs to get married and change her name!
04/08/09 @ 07:56
Comment from: Katie [Visitor] · http://stagestitches.blogspot.com
LOL! Yeah, same with my name, actually - the only person I've found with my first (very common) and last (apparently fairly rare) name is some French singer!
04/09/09 @ 00:55
Comment from: samedi [Visitor] · http://samedi.livejournal.com
I think I've confused a few people by not caring one way or the other if my (hypothetical) wife takes my family name. To go along with that, I also have no problem with any future children having my wife's family name instead of mine.

There was one guy I came across who was given his mother's family / maiden name, as apparently the only people from his mother's family who were marrying and having children were female relatives who had also taken the husband's family name.
04/09/09 @ 10:35
Comment from: admin [Member] Email
I knew of a family that gave the boys the father's name and the girls the mother's!
04/12/09 @ 15:34

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An American educator moves moved to Korea, presumably to teach English. Instead she discovers discovered that learning Korean one taekwondo class at a time is was a more captivating activity.

Somewhere along the way, she met a Good Man, fell in love, and ended up back in the States. Still doing taekwondo, still learning Korean...

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